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Age · Dec 22, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.

Lord Iowerth · Dec 22, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

I really don't see the link between there being less monks in towns an outposts, and the 55HP monks ... other than maybe they're out farming instead of doing missions? ... news for ya: most of the 55HP monk farmers are already lvl 20, and in all likelyhood have done all the missions already ...

Monks that try to charge for doing missions are stupid, IMHO. I always tell them that there is a small fee for my tanking/interrupting/mesming/necroing and keeping them from getting hurt themselves ... that usually puts a stop to that nonsense pretty quick, or we just don't take them on the mission. People can always *TRY* and charge for absurd things ... giving in to them would just encourage it.

Being it's the xmas (Wintersday?) season (and that i'm training a PvE monk) anytime you need "monking" just give me a ring and i'm always more than happy to help.

And also: FEAR MY 55HP NECRO! Who needs a monk to farm? I can farm with my ranger too, or my tank ... not so much with my mesmer, but i'm sure that's because I haven't figured out the proper way to do that yet

NekoZ · Dec 22, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

You don't NEED a monk to complete a mission, learn a new strategy

And I never had a problem getting a monk before so I don't see the big deal.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Dec 22, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

So you do know that theres pefectly even solo farming builds for...
W/--
N/--
R/--

I could tell you how I cant find a good <insert class here> for any mission.
Some times tatics are sacrifcied and you need to support yourself.
Monk is in itself has alot of healing spells, most of which can be used by anyother primary class... 2ndary change quests are there for a reason to support yourself

as for the 55monk; people want the best of the best and the only way to get there is grinding out long hours as a solo farmer with high yeild.
The easist route by far is probly the monk; since the nessasary 55hp build needs the support of that classes magics...

Others I know people use E/N , W/E , W/Mo and N/Me High Support from thier 2ndary class and dont use a 55 hp build, probly more than that but the 55build is used because of its ease.

As for the people charging to be a support healer, they know problem areas where people struggle and know people would be willing to pay for help, but then theres the kind that dont tell you and charge in a vital area who holds gold while in a mission?

and as for specialty builds such as a runner are fine
Powerlevelers fine

You play a game how you want to; they make it vague so all people are welcome, they wouldnt dare tell you how-to play a game, c'mon its a GAME, somtimes people forget that.

Loviatar · Dec 22, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Age

Hi.

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked..

3 chapters ?

lets have an official link to this great revalation you had.

unlocked including the tons of new stuff as well?

pvp only?

GIVE US A LINKIE TO THIS INFO

Fist_of_God · Dec 22, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Although I have posted this information on another forum, I will repeat it here as well. All A-Net has to do to nerf the I-Monk is to stop the negative stack of - health mods, or to limit it to 2-3 runes only stacking negative health. I really don't know your motives for posting this here, as it has been posted a gazillion times on all the respected GW forums.

Your "beef" is with A-Net, not with your average everyday farming monk. I suggest emailing any valid argument you have to them, as it is pointless to beat this "dead dog" on any forum again.

Yogi's Pain · Dec 22, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Two things. Every class can solo, yes even mesmers

And they have Monk Henches who are always available.

Wyett · Dec 22, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Quit your whining. Know what I found? I carry 2 different sets of armor with me, for the 55 build and for the sole purpose of group hunting. What amazes me, is the number of people who will kick you out of their group because you don't play to THEIR idea. They want you to have xx amountof hintpoints before doing mission/question/hunting. If everyone played to the same person's idea, then it'd be mighty boring. What yall need to get into your heads is that people play how they want to play, if I want to take my monk around with 250 hitpoints and do a mission, that's MY choice. 99% of the time, my build isn't the problem with a group, its the warriors who think they can kill anything and expect to live in mass mobs.. I see more idiotic people expecting to be perpetually healed in combat because there are monks in the group, and they don't think that MAYBE the monk wants to smite once in awhile, or other people in the group need to be healed, or someone needs a quick protective spell instead of a 250 hitpoint heal every 3 seconds.

So, quit your whining about what a MONK's job is. A MONK's job is to follow the path of good, dwayna's light or whatever the hell it is if you wanna get roleplayish. The point is, most of us don't tell you how to play your character, how to do your build, so you don't need to determine how other's play theirs.

Now go learn how to play with a healer hench if you just want a healer bot, other wise stfu.

Fist_of_God · Dec 22, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Wyett

Quit your whining. Know what I found? I carry 2 different sets of armor with me, for the 55 build and for the sole purpose of group hunting. What amazes me, is the number of people who will kick you out of their group because you don't play to THEIR idea. They want you to have xx amountof hintpoints before doing mission/question/hunting. If everyone played to the same person's idea, then it'd be mighty boring. What yall need to get into your heads is that people play how they want to play, if I want to take my monk around with 250 hitpoints and do a mission, that's MY choice. 99% of the time, my build isn't the problem with a group, its the warriors who think they can kill anything and expect to live in mass mobs.. I see more idiotic people expecting to be perpetually healed in combat because there are monks in the group, and they don't think that MAYBE the monk wants to smite once in awhile, or other people in the group need to be healed, or someone needs a quick protective spell instead of a 250 hitpoint heal every 3 seconds.

So, quit your whining about what a MONK's job is. A MONK's job is to follow the path of good, dwayna's light or whatever the hell it is if you wanna get roleplayish. The point is, most of us don't tell you how to play your character, how to do your build, so you don't need to determine how other's play theirs.

Now go learn how to play with a healer hench if you just want a healer both, other wise stfu.

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Very well put indeed!!!!

ghezbora · Dec 22, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

I really don't see the link between there being less monks in towns an outposts, and the 55HP monks

ditto. the reason there aren't enough monks is mainly because more people choose to play the other classes, so there's just proportionally fewer healers around.

there's nothing wrong with people using the 55hp build to farm. ANet has said repeatedly they are not anti-farming. if you think they're getting a grossly disproportionate amount of wealth compared to everyone else, that's a different issue.

if you think it's wrong to play a monk as anything other than a healer/protector, because that's what monks were "meant" to be, then i have 2 questions: (1) where did you get this divine insight into what was "meant" to be in GW, and (2) why do monks have a line of skills called "smiting prayers?"

Fungus Amongus · Dec 22, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34090

So how many other boards is this posted on?

Monica Angelina · Dec 22, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I smile every time I end up in a PUG where someone insist that "we need x-monks for this mission or it's impossible". I usually say, "I cant think of a single mission that I have not done that required a real monk" (not even a hench monk in some cases). Most of the time, these "monk insisters" would yell out "noob" and leave. This, by the way, is the best thing that could happen to your PUG. For one thing, people overly reliant on monk are indicative of two things, they probably are setup to maximize damage and are likely to use more than one superior rune to have "uber power". Even more likely, these are the type of players will will mindlessly charge into a group of mobs and chase endlessly until every single red dot on the screen is now converging on our group. At the risk of abusing the cliche, who is the noob?

What I do is this. First, I will make an good effort to try to solicite a monk. Realize though, just because someone plays a monk doesn't mean they play the role you need them to play in the team well. I have had plenty of smite monks that cant heal and is actually a liability on the group, just as well that a good smite monk heals, remove hexes and conditions, and do massive damage to large group of mobs only to have the warrior convinced he's the uber figher machine in the group

If there simply isn't a monk to be found, or, even worse, some egotistical monk who's sole purpose is to run around making him/herself feel all important by offering his/her "service" either by deriding you or making you pay, I just talk the group into either taking Alesia or Mhenlo, or, even more often, just form a group where everybody have some form of self healing so the dmg can be evenly distributed. You'd be surprised how much the game improves with the peope that are left in the PUG who are willing to be flexible and change their builds to fit the situation. Of course, a lot of this is spoken with hindsight. How can most new players know what to even prepare on a mission they have never done before? Obviously you cant. So join in with veteran group and listen to their advice. Insistance on playing the game your way will not get you very far and nerfing the 55 Monk isn't going to make any more better heal monks so that anyone can just charge into a large group of mob and drain his energy just healing one bad aggro.

I have led groups w/o a monk through the ring of fire missions... It can be done. It just depends on how you want to play. And don't worry about the people that leave your pick up group because you don't need a monk. You don't need them! :P

Holy Arch · Dec 22, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

i dont see how you feel liek you can just tell monks to stop farming...get over it

Lord Iowerth · Dec 22, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Yogi's Pain

Every class can solo, yes even mesmers

Hah, if anyone has this build, let me know! Mesmers FTW!

Qual · Dec 22, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Well if people wanna farm, why then use a 55 monk.?
A 55 monk can only be used or farming, and they are not that great for that either. But on the other hand if people really wanna a sucky farmer monk, then let them. In the main time I can only laugh coz I know some guys who has 55monks, and my tank can farm alot faster

Life is like a grapefruit.

Samueldg · Dec 22, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

wanna know the no#1 reason there are "less heal monks"

YOU!

guys with your additude make monking suck... constantly crying ( dude YOU DIDNT BRING BREEZE!!! WTF OVER!!! WAAAWAAA)

I dont play this game for other people.. isnt that obvious?

when I monk for a pug I take a blend of heals ( four usually) some condition and hex removal= cure it instead of heal over it, a SMITE!!!! (usuallysym of wrath becuase someone always aoes and sends everything at me.. sym makes it run away) and rebirth..

I solo because I can play the game and avoid the ten yearolds..

tigernz · Dec 22, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Hah, if anyone has this build, let me know! Mesmers FTW!

Any class can take monk secondary and have the basis of a 55hp monk build - the only skills that'll likely be different are the ones you use for damage.

Throw on your 5 sup runes, prot spirit, healing breeze & mending for life regen, essence bond & balt's spirit for energy and add 3 more of whatever you like. For a mesmer IW is an option (probably the best a mesmer has in terms of damage output) plus 2 more of your choosing - maybe clumsiness & phantasm.

You wouldn't kill anywhere near as fast as a smiting monk or curse necro invinci-build as you're lacking the aoe dmg skills, but you'd be pretty robust and should be able to survive long enough to kill things

mohh · Dec 22, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

STFU indeed. Where do you get off telling others what build to use? Just uninstall please!

Qual · Dec 22, 2005, 09:13 PM // 21:13

ohh dear...
GW is most of all a game where you need to work as a team, no matter if you play missions or GvG/PvP/HoH. But I agree with you on one thing too many newbs whine about monks, but are to lazy make their own. Clearly you can't read, the guy who wrote this thread is a monk himself. So why should he whine about bad healing, when he is the healer ???

Qual · Dec 22, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

btw my reply was to you Samueldg...